Originally Posted by OrangeK
Steve, i dont particularly agree with that Proverb.
I discipline my son just fine without "The Rod"
if i have him for 3-4 days in a row, the crap behavior he exhibits after being with her all but fades away.
If anything i would say her use of "The Rod" (or in this case, hair pulling) is not only traumatizing him, but making his negative behaviors amplified.

-I would like to keep the focus on S3 here, and not fall into a theological debate, but i must say -

I am a bit alarmed by how many times ive seen the word "Hate" in bible verses you've quoted.

"God Hates Divorce"
"He who spares the rod hates their son"

You know I am not a man of faith, but i respect your choice to be one, however this aggressive mentality i dont think has a place in today's world.
How is it that God, who is all love, can hate so many things?
What cause does an omnipotent and omniscient entity have for hatred? If man was made in His image, wouldn't these things God "Hates" such as "sparing the rod" and Divorce, simply be mortal manifestations of Him simply existing in that which He created?
Seems contradictory to me.


I will just say be careful of translations. The King James says "He who spareth the rod spoileth the child."

Hate is an actual emotion. God HATES sin. But God loves the sinner. Big difference ther.e Today's world mixes up the two. That's a problem with today's world, not God or His plan.

But this is for another day and another discussion. I just couldn't let lcause's short-sighted opinion stated as universal fact go unpunished.

I like you was spanked by my parents, and I am better for it.


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