Hi Irish

Why do you think you need a restraining order? From what I read there is no real danger or excessive hassle. I'd ignore her for now. I'm not saying that her actions aren't sources of stress for ye all. Definitely. But if the usual pattern continues she'll be MIA again soon enough.

I wonder if OM2 wasn't told about ye and the returned letters let the cat out of her bag. That could explain something. He could even have gone on a binge with the strange woman in reaction. All speculation and all pointless. Not your monkeys.

I hope your GF can be patient and not pressure you to move in together. You'll know when is right for you and your D's.


I think.you were wise to point out to D's that the card geste was all she was capable of right now. Although it isn't what the girls want of her it was yet again another reaching out to them. In her mind she is doing her best and is being rejected again. Technically she is right but no one would blame the girls for not accepting the gift.

No advice to give. Keep doing what you are doing.

Best wishes


R 25 years
M 14 years
S11 & S13
Working on it alone since Oct 2014
M in trouble a lot earlier (~2 years)
Feb 2016. 1st R chat in a yr.
Next R chat Aug'17
Still together