Betsey;

I just wanted to stop by and say how much I appreciate your posts to me. Your words are insightful and you paint a very vivid picture with your phrases. You help me understand and have faith - thank you.

Now to participate in this conversation a bit on crazymaking. I think I am a mini-crazymaker. Because I'm a very emotional person our fights (of which there have been few) but they would escalate into me getting emotionally upset and finally asking if I should just leave and P shutting down completely so that she can't say what she wants or needs. I recognize that I do that because I just want her to say that she loves me - but it results in my not listening to her. Hmmm - more about my not listening very well. I recognize the problem now and hope I get the opportunity to put it into practice.

This a great thread and you are all wonderful people.
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