Faceman and Ciluzen

Thank you for this thoughtful dialogue of fellow journeyers

For me it is not either or it is both and

I do not want to hijack so will comment about what this means to me on my own thread

Gordie 40s W 40s M20+ kids
2016 BD W fantasy affair w OM1 I do everything wrong
2017 I start to DB W says TLTL files for D PA w OM2
2018 I do LRT W drops filing and OM2 situation slowly improving