I hate to say it tim47, but us HD guys on here do nothing but change. Heck, Corri says that I cahnge to much, I need to wait for the wife to make a move. I have read lots of guys on here that have done everything and yet the wives don't repsond. I think a lot of it has to do woth the LD wife thinking that the HD man has now learned to live like they do, and can enjoy life with much less sex then they though. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Heck I have seen bbok in stores that are all about how to change your man. These books actaully give encouragement to LD women that guys can actully reduce their desire for sex. This is the worst advice possible to LD woman. In order to have ANY hope of fixing a LD/HD relationship, both partners must change, but it is the LD partner that has the critical changes to make. The HD partners changes alone will have very little impact on the situation. That's what sucks about our situation, us HD guys can work on the situation, but the elephant in the room is the LD spouse. Us HD spouses really have no control over solving our situation, but the LD spouse has FULL control over the situation. That is why I am leary of PM, (which I just got).