please ALWAYS remember that this isn't about you cathy. this is all about him and his journey, and he is still going down, not up

he hasn't hit rock bottom yet, and only by hitting rock bottom will he be in a position to climb up

i am gonna be BLUNTLY honest here - cause this is something that is consistantly bothering me about your sitch, and this is about his drinking - does your husband have any idea how lucky he isn't DEAD yet from drinking and driving??? i hurt for you cause i am scared that one day you are gonna get a call from the cops with the dreaded news that he has been killed in an accident

does he even consider this happening to him???

i am gonna share a story with you. my brother (sober for two decades) was a drug addict. we tried intervention, really everything we could - my mother one day finally called the cops and said, my son is at such and such bar and he will be leaving it high and if you stop him and take him in maybe that will teach him a lesson

well it did - he was impounded for three days. had to go to rehab and has been sober ever since. they did the WHOLE gambut on him - the whole "tough love" thing - it was nasty but it made the point

maybe where you live they have that kind of program? cause honestly, he is either gonna kill himself, or worse yet, he is gonna kill someone innocent. and if you think he hates himself NOW -

ugh, please take this under the spirit it was intended ok? you don't need this drama - your son doesn't need this drama - take some action...