Not disagreeing with you, MPT, or maybe I am. The whole point of this process is that it is not easy, simple or comfortable. Remaining in your comfort zone makes growth impossible. The very fact that I am moving out of my comfort zone will move W out of hers - there's no help for it. Even nature (evolution) does not progress smoothly and quietly - it happens in fits and starts. Childbirth is not a nice, quiet process, it is violent and painful, for both the mother and the child. That does not make it any less important (it makes it MORE so). Stars are the brightest things in the heavens. The birth of a star is an incredibly violent process, but without that process, life would not be possible. I know what I'm saying SOUNDS like an adversarial thing, but it is what it is. If one doesn't upset the apple-cart from time to time, the apples will rot. Sorry, I'm not as good as AD at metaphors...