At bomb, when the craziness escalated, i had told ex-h that this kind of behavior was not love. It was an obsession or an addiction but not LOVE. You do not threat someone you love this way.

Once i set a boundary towards myself for no longer fixing his crap and stop making excuses, i stated to him that for now on, the world would see him for who he really is.

Did i play a role in his depression and withdrawl. I beleive so. Did he take responsability for his crap? NO
To this day, he is the same.

Last week, D17 got a text from him. " Do not drive around tonight. Road are icy"

No hi, how are you doing? I love you...

She looks at me, shows me the text and says: "that is all he talks to me about now. The car and not wanting to drive at night or in winter."

I said: " he wants you to know he thinks about you and love you. He does not know whst to say cause he has no clue what goes on in your life.

When he came down on her with the arrest, he had asked her to go to his place this week-end. Well, today, he CALLED her and this is how he phrases his sh*t: " Hi! I know you do not have much time to yourself or to spend with your friends; with school and work, so it' s ok if you do not want to come this week-end. Plus, my house is a mess... with the renovations and all the people here...."

She replys: " oh! You don' t want me to go!!! That' s fine."

Then he wonders what is wrong with us??.