Originally Posted By: Joseph9
Then you keep your head held high and move through the process with class, dignity and self-respect. It's not over until the paperwork is final and even then it is just a piece of paper. It could take months or more and feelings can change.


I agree with J here.

This is all on her timetable now unless you wish to speed things up with the divorce.

Originally Posted By: Joe2017
I have nothing to lose by having this discussion with her.


you will probably disagree with me here, but I dont agree with this statement one bit. I believe when it comes down to it, women want their man to be a self sufficient man, and most men are, but at some point we become wayward and lose ourselves in the relationship to an extent. By trying to include her in your decision making, you are still showing pursuit and looking for her validation. you will not show her you changed and she will not want to change for you, because of words or a discussion. They want to and need to see action for better or worse.

Put yourself in her shoes, if you did all of this to her, would her wanting to have a conversation with you about coming back to her make you want to come back? You would only do these things to someone if you had no respect for them, so why would you want to listen to someone you lost respect for?

If you just met this person a week ago and was dating her, would you let her treat you this way? I would hope not. granted you didnt meet her a week ago, but you have to realize she is not the person you married anymore, and she may not ever be that person again. I am dealing with this same issue, that when i think about my spouse i remember who i met when we got married, not who she is acting like now. I am almost over this thought and realize the person she is now is not the person i married and she may never be that person again. Remember action speak louder than words.


M:43 W:33
M:10 T:11
D:6
BD 8/12/17
Divorce Final 1/23/2019