Oh I read the thread on mystery, lots of great info there, i will apply some of these techniques to see if things change. I have to pick up daughter tonite, first thing I'm gonna do is arrive slightly late, not like me to be late for anything, I'm very punctual. So this may create some mystery. I di love the thread though some very good pointers there, its imperative though not to take it too much of an extreme from what I gather. Hope you have have some more great insightful suggestions Betsey, I appreciate your input..