Why do you feel that it is best for you to stay?

If you believe what you read about being a nice guy, what do you think of the action points in that book?

"Especially after all I have done". This indicates that you are doing things for the wrong reasons. You cannot nice your way back into her good books and you certainly should not expect her to do anything just because you do X Y and Z.

You still appear to be putting her needs and family needs before your own. Until you realise your own self worth and put that as a priority for you, you risk to remain stuck.

You cannot save your M........... unless you save YOU first. You are half the M equation. Fix yourself. Both of you need to be emotionally healthy to build a R. So if she was ready tomorrow,yyou won't be. Start working on you. NOW. It will take time. Secondly you will have a better chance of re-attracting her if you are a self confident, non-dependant man with appropriate boundaries.

Reread the advice you have received since being here. People are trying to help you, but you are stuck and cannot act. Your W has consistently and constantly stated she wants you out. I won't repeat the opinions on who should move, but the current situation is like she feels ignored and her decision is not accepted. That is her sole focus and she cannot move forward as long as the current situation continues.

Sorry if I am being harsh but I am doing so to help you.

Best wishes


R 25 years
M 14 years
S11 & S13
Working on it alone since Oct 2014
M in trouble a lot earlier (~2 years)
Feb 2016. 1st R chat in a yr.
Next R chat Aug'17
Still together