Thanks. I am still learning a lot from Sandi2. I value her opinion since she was a WW. Getting that kind of perspective is so valueable. I see what you are saying with them maybe starting to see hope. It is not going by to change anything immediately but it might start the process. Like Sandi2 says, I realize my wife does not respect me and to an extent I can understand why with all the issues I brought to the table. The active affair is unacceptable and I am going to have to get her to either respect me or move on. Just waiting until after my daughters HS graduation party.