Thanks everyone for the honesty! I feel this way too sometimes.

I echo everything you just said, TripleJ. Esp. the part about respecting each other's time and being honest about what we need as well. In fact, learning to communicate what I need is something I've gotten a lot better at thanks to the folks on this BB.

But I also remember that before I came to this board, I spent a long time chasing my tail with a group of amazing friends listening to me before I was able to move on to the next stage of my OWN growth (namely setting goals and taking actions for ME).

Those friends are still friends--thank goodness--though I am sure they wanted to shoot me on sight for a while there. I know some people don't have that support at home. But I know that I *had* to go through that stage to get to the one I am in now. I also needed to know that I could pick myself up after a backslide and get back on track. Otherwise I might well have veered off in a negative direction.

I suspect others need to know this too.

I think the balance may tip sometimes. But both approaches are helpful in the right sitch. No, our spouses aren't all the same, and what works for one might not work for another.

And the same is true of us.

Take care all you hardworking DBers,
wonder, who welcomes any needed 2x4s on her own thread.