I wonder if some people miss the point about confrontation. What I try to explain is that confrontation alone does not fix anything. Just b/c you confront her to tell her you know what she is doing......is not going to cause her to stop doing it. It may cause her to go to the next step of the affair, but don't expect remorse or promises.....or even her admitting to it. People think I am telling them never to confront, and that's not true. I am telling them that if they confront, they had better be ready to separate or divorce.....b/c they've got to set very stiff boundaries. If they are not prepared to S or D......their boundaries are pitifully weak, and if they are weak then the WW will not consider her wayward actions in the slightest way. That is the point. If you just want her to know how angry you are or that you "won't stand for it".......what does she care? What are you going to do about it? See what I mean?
I see what you are saying. Confrontation alone does nothing in an addicts mind with out consequences. Since she has already moved out and part of it was because she wanted to live that life with out me confronting her. I know she will not admit to it or be remorseful because I believe that in her mind it is a way for her to try to hurt me and also alleviate the pain she is in. This has to do with her bitterness towards me. At this time confronting her will do no good since we are already S and D can not happen for a while do to the laws.
Originally Posted By: sandi2
IMHO, we should always stand our ground for our morals. However, your morals may not be her morals. It's like religion, she may not believe the same as you. That doesn't mean you have to change to believe like she believes. You don't have to like what she does.....nor do you have to acceptinto your home and MR what you believe is morally wrong. You have a choice to live with her and accept how she believes or behaves.....or you can stop sharing your life with her and move on. That may sound simplistic, but for me it is about integrity and respect. Can you respect what she is doing to you and the family? Can you live with her while she conducts herself in this manner, without compromising your integrity?
I agree that we should stand for our morals. I have been standing for my morals since I stopped my addiction and her morals were close to mine. This is against her morals but again because of her addictive state she has changed them to satisfy her wants. I am not excepting this into my MR or my home. She is doing it in her home in front of my kids. Now I am living a life of integrity and respect. But I have lost respect for her as have many other people in her life that have told me. I can even see it in my kids to and extent even though they do not tell me directly. I will not live with her this way period. So until she changes there is no desire of mine to live with her.
Originally Posted By: sandi2
Here's the problem I see with most LBH's who have WW's. He has so much fear of losing his family that he won't set firm boundaries. She immediately sees his fear as weakness. She already disrespects him, so what is he going to do that would cause her to think twice before continuing her bad behavior toward him and their MR? She may not honor his boundary anymore than she honored the M, but neither he does not have to stay in a dishonored relationship.
I was afraid of losing my family but I realized that I have to do what is best for me in my growth. I have firm boundaries now and am willing to loose her if she does not change. I know that my kids will be there eventually and W has to straighten her self out with professional help before I will live with her again. I already made the decision before I found this site that me or her will not decide when we move back together. It will be decided by the MC that is a pastor that I really respect. This will be a nonnegotiable term. I will wait for her but I will not take anything less the a godly M.
Originally Posted By: sandi2
Do you see what I am saying? Now then, if a couple is already physically separated......and the H confronts his WW about her affair or whatever, what can he do about it? Are you ready to divorce? If so, then tell her you will not live in an open M. But don't say it as a bluff, b/c she'll test it out. Be ready to back up what you say. Setting a boundary is to protect yourself.
I will not live in an open M and I am ready for a D as a last resort. She knows that I will follow through on what I say. I have proven that over the years. She can test me and even hope she does. I do not threaten things that I am not willing to follow through with. But I have a long time to wait before I can even threaten a D.
Originally Posted By: sandi2
Maybe I am not seeing how you personally intend to apply the words written above, but this sounds very passive coming from a guy who was ready to confront his WW about a hooking up with OM. So now you are ready to accept .....affirm.....encourage....and appreciate? Really? It sets you free? From what?
Well this quote was not about my sitch now but about what I should have done years ago. I should have been more clear on that. I tried to change her and did not accept her the way I should have.
Thank you again Sandi for your insight. It has helped me to mentally figure things out.
Love is a decision. Genuine love is honor put into action, regardless of the cost.
Me:43 W:41 M:21 SS:25 S:19 D:18 BD1:3/16 BD2:10/16 W moves out 10/2/16