For my older teens, I find the best way to spend time with them is one on one doing something they like. For my daughter that is sharing a nice meal once every couple of weeks. For my son that is going to a sporting event. On a day to day basis it's the goodnight chat.

For a W who doesn't want to be in your presence, I don't have experience with that one but others here certainly do.


Gordie 40s W 40s M20+ kids
2016 BD W fantasy affair w OM1 I do everything wrong
2017 I start to DB W says TLTL files for D PA w OM2
2018 I do LRT W drops filing and OM2 situation slowly improving