The cliff at the top of the mountain.

[AndrewP]

Ginger1 - Perhaps you are going about this the wrong way? Reading through your prior posts it almost looked like you were shopping for a new outfit, not someone to share yourself with. Sorry - the itemizing of the positive attributes of the recent guy made it look like a checklist of physical attractiveness with compatibility being lower on the list. Most guys especially the more douchey ones can certainly fake being charming for quite a while.

Personally I've been out of the dating world practically forever and I wasn't very good at it even back in the day and probably won't be dipping my toes for some time so take my comments as those of a rank amateur here. I think you were the one who posted this on my thread once and if not, I'm sure you thought it "“Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans."

Do you have some friends who perhaps know a really nice guy? Try just walking up to a nice quiet guy on a bus, at the library, in the park or at a ball game and sit next to them and pass the time of day. People met each other, fell in love long before E-Fish or whatever. If what you're doing isn't working then do something different! And as a reasonably decent looking guy who doesn't have bulging biceps but does in fact have all his own teeth, take a look past the surface. You'll be surprised what lay beneath us average guys.

I know that I've been chastised about being interested in the lady from the flower shop (I know, I know - I'm nowhere near ready, she might not be interested etc etc - this is about you and not me right now). I'd been going to that shop for a few months and she had been working there some of the days that I had visited. She was professional and a bit distant but pleasant. One day, just after W moved out I was on my way to a funeral for my oldest sister's husband and she asked me "how are you" in the normal polite way. "My wife just left me and I'm on my way to a funeral so today is pretty crappy" tumbled out of my lips before they could be stopped. She was kind and sympathetic and is a really nice person that in a different time and place that may one day happen might be a person who I could spend time with. She's no stunning beauty being a harried mom of a 3 1/2 year old and is often sick with whatever new bug he's brought home. So she's not a head-turner who I would have sought out looking at a profile picture on the internet. But she's sweet and has a kind heart. What are "you" actually looking for in a NG? Biceps, or a heart?

Good luck. Just my unasked for 2 cents from an outsider.