Ginger I appreciate you being blunt with me. There was a time in my marriage where I would have disagreed with you. Unfortunately this is now where the insecurity comes in. I know you have followed my thread. So I'm assuming you have seen where I have pointed out that W goes straight to sex now. It's been like that for 5 years probably. No kissing, no foreplay, nothing. Just boom, straight to sex. The same toy I'm talking about was introduced to the bedroom about the same time, 5 years ago. Which was also about a year after our son was born. Seems like when things went downhill. I'm not an idiot. I'm sure when she was with the OM during our first separation that it was hot and heavy and included passion. Which probably included kissing and foreplay. When we were separated I slept with 3 women. All three came back for more. So I'm assuming I wasn't bad. But this is exactly what I'm scared of with my W. That she doesn't want me in that way and that she isn't going to want me in that way again. That there just won't be any passion. So I go to a bad place in my head. Is she getting it from someone else? My IC who also does MC says that she thinks W is masturbating to relieve stress. She also says that this is a very hard to come out of and it takes both parties to make it work. She has seen plenty of couples who do an in home separation and have a very hard time getting back to one room and intimate But she has said she has seen more success when an in home separation is involved whether than one of spouses moving out, as long as they can give each other the required space to grow Thanks for the well wishes I always appreciate your advice
M 37 W 30 S 7 Together 10 years Married 9 years BD: 12/12/12(W filed same day) I moved to apartment 1/11/13 W and S moved to MIL 1/11/13 Peicing: 6/3/13 Reconciled: 7/2013 BD2: 4/20/16 still working on it