This is a really interesting discussion. It is causing me to question my assumption that my W is a WW. She's not really "rebellious" at all and, most times, isn't angry at all (really just when I used to try to force R talks). She essentially just quit on our marriage and doesn't think there's anything (including MC or working with me) that would cause her to change her mind. She's sort of the opposite of rash or quick to act, having given me a two-year "head's up" that I'll not be married then.
Even if true, I'm not sure of the practical importance, other than it might suggest a little softer touch than sandi frequently urges w/r/t WWs.
This stuff is really hard.
Me: 46 W: 44 Married: 17 Together 21 D13; S10 BD: 03.03.15 (Not attracted to you) Almost 2 years trying, alone, to save marriage Status now: Divorced (effective 06.13.17)