Originally Posted By: bigybiz
Sandi2 & SH Does she have a real reason to be scared of me, in some cases yes.

I've never yelled or sworn at her, I've certainly never hit her and/or our children. I used to run up and down the stairs and come in the house with "bluster". But, there have never been any slamming doors or me taking off in anger and no alcohol or any other issues.

Have I been angry at her - yes and visa versa. Her mother was a alcoholic who was full of anger, etc. W had to grow up being the peace keeper. She is now saying that I should have known this and been more aware and sensitive in dealing with her. Yes, I could have.

In the last year, she has kept secrets and ambushed me with things then is "surprised" that I get upset, when I find out - at the last minute, etc, So the pattern repeats, even to this day.

I've been very irresponsible financially. She has lived with the phone ringing from debt collectors, a massive tax bill and once the mtg was recalled and we had to scramble to find a new mtg company. Is she scared I could continue to ruin her financially. Yes, but steps have been taken to prevent that in the future. I'm OK with it, it's up to her if she want's to accept it.

The big one, last fall she had an EA. I witnessed it take place, her behavior, travel, interrupting family and other activies to get to her phone, at the time fueled my speculation. I asked her and asked her if she was having a PA (I did not know about EA and the time). She denied it, I could see the lie in her face. I started to snoop on her phone. I asked her direct questions -she still denied it. I pulled a massive deception to expose her EA. I contacted him when it was out in the open and told him to not talk to my wife. He agreed and dropped her like a stone. When it comes up - sometimes she agrees that she was responsible for her behavior and she did romanticize him and she admits that she may have deceived me. Sometimes she says it was just a friendship and it's normal to have flirty messages with male friends.

So yes, she could have legit reasons to be scared. Is it "trumped up" and something that gives her strength - yes.



bigy,

Is this a list you created on your own, or did she provide you with this list?
I ask, because if this is a list you came up with, then you know if it is valid or just you trying to put reason to her statements of being fearful.

If she gave you the list then you can also determine if it is valid or just projection from her by seeking input from others that witnessed your behaviors.

I personally don't see anything in your list that would be a big enough reason to use "fear" as a reason to leave. Skipping steps is something many folks do. Finance issue, c'mon now, unless you are out gambling away your money, making mistakes is not something to fear. My WAW was angry because I was to tight with money, yours upset because you made some mistakes. Where are they in working with us on finances. My WAW buried her head in the sand, yours is blaming you for some discomfort due to a mtg issue?

Fear is a fickle term tossed out by so many for many reasons, but one of my favorite explanations of fear comes form a bad Will Smith movie.

“Fear is not real. The only place that fear can exist is in our thoughts of the future. It is a product of our imagination, causing us to fear things that do not at present and may not ever exist. That is near insanity. Do not misunderstand me danger is very real but fear is a choice.” Will Smith

You did not indicate anything that is dangerous in what you shared.

In her mind she has created a "real fear" and for whatever reason, it will have power over her. That can not be discounted, but you are not the responsible party to fix this for her.

That being said,

Originally Posted By: bigybiz

Wait - I forgot to ask the most important question. How do I address her fear of me? What are the DB steps to handle? Any suggestions would be welcome.


You can not address her fear of you. She must do so herself.

The DB steps to handling the list you have, by looking at yourself, taking an honest evaluation and correct or change any behaviors that you would find to be creating a fear in someone. IMHO, you do this by getting input from others. Just because she may"fear" the way you run up and down stairs, another my not see anything in this and not even pay attention to it. I mean, does your not stopping to smell the roses in the stairs really cause fear in her? Did the house ever collapse because you skipped some stairs?


Fear is not real. We create it ourselves. I was always fearful of my STBXW driving. She was involved in one minor fender bender in a parking lot in the 20 years we were together. Was my fear based on anything real?

Fear: False Evidence Appearing Real.

Think about it.

My point yet again, is stay focused on you (detach). If you need to fix or modify a behavior then do so. Do not do it simply based on her POV. My DB coach advised me early on to make decisions and evaluations with out the WAW filter on. You would do well to heed that advice here.
Let her focus on her and you continue forward focused on you.

PS I know I am not sandi, but I felt the need to offer my 2c here. You are a good dude. Keep up the good work and you will prevail.


Me 46 Former W 46
D19 D7
BD Feb 2016
WAW moves out 4/16/16
D final 6/1/2017

It's time for me to start changin' the way I look at the world......and at myself. ~James Howlett aka Wolverine