I was thinking that too, that the sexes on this forum must find it hard to understand how each one reacts to the other. A strong man does not question himself, he's confident and is always listening to make sure that he makes the right decisions, for the household. This must be hard for strong women like the ones on this forum. Us men need to learn to lead of R and not the W. You women need to learn to let your H lead, which goes against the whole feeling, but i guess that's what 180 is about.
I was looking to buy porridge for my son, as i have a non-sugar fetish, and my WW said, don't look at the sugar content because then you're just going to start analysing. I took it and said thank you, for forcing me to lose some control. But yes, the mystery is to keep her thinking of me, not necessary manipulating her. If i had said, i'm meeting a girl, then that would probably be manipulation.
She is definitely fighting for her personal freedom, and I either give her the space to do that or lose myself (and her). I must trust her, I don't have a choice. She is now talking to a friend who was also a WW, has a second child with a different man and is pushing my WW to make things work. A support system does alot to help people find or lose themselves. The WWs new friends smoke weed but she has not. I do not see the same WW from last week Monday and the previous 5 weeks. She's not trying to be someone else anymore, just herself.
... and then, she's had one bottle of white wine tonight, not even the whole bottle and was supposed to put our S to sleep. And our S has just left our MBR and went to lay in his own room, as she's tipsy and passed out snoring. The fog is deep! But baby steps hey. I'm off to lay by him.
Just cos things are going right, doesn't mean that they were always wrong.