Thank you for your insight I'm relatively new here but all your posts I see are so well thought out and directly to the point, I know for one I appreciate straight shooters.

Yes she will be moving into an apartment later this summer with a friend as she will be starting community college in the fall but still I think she has driven an impenetrable wedge between her mother and me. Not saying it is all her fault I just think it was the final straw, I accept my responsibility in the downfall of the marriage.

My W has always had a problem with discipline for the kids except for our child maybe it's stems from her first divorce and their Dads lack of interest in the kids life but that's just a guess I discussed it many times with her but it never went anywhere.

She has expressed in a round about way she thought I placed our childs concerns over the entire family but my actions for 12 years proved otherwise but if it's how she and D feel I'm not going to argue I will validate for now

Things are just messy now even though the W and I when we do communicate it's better than it has been in a long time but what person in this situation doesn't feel like their life is a complete and total mess.