AD, Your situation is much the same as mine regarding the W's denial. The state of denial can be so strong that even the threat of leaving for an OW is not enough to kick start a change process. W's attitude is that we are good friends, good parents and have an apparently happy home so what's the problem. She feels no need for romance, physical contact or even affirmation and can't see any reason why I should, in the same way as I see no point in going shopping without having a specific purchase in mind. It's a situation that can only change very slowly but sadly may take as much as 100 years to solve. What happens with me is that I get on a high of hope (this last month) which then starts to fade and my thoughts drift towards my OW whose birthday is approaching and in my mind's eye, all it would probably take is a birthday card to rekindle something. SD