Thank you for the perspective Vise, I definitely need to plan on how I' m going to react the next time WW has a tantrum, I think it will help me get some respect. The W hasn't mentioned any kind of seperation agreement, she only keeps repeating that she wants to be alone with the kids. She hasn't really faced the reality of what that means financially or emotionally for the kids. I got the car with her to help her see that things are better with me than without me (she also always mentions that we never had anything, so I guess it's my way to 180 that). I am starting to see the importance of GAL outside the home (I thought I was GAL inside the home, but now I see that it was just desperation) my W told me I should have done that a long time ago and it might have made a difference, but now she's not so sure. Up to now I haven't gone anywhere except for the gym and Church. I am planning on just leaving without telling her like she does to me. Surprise B!@T#! I am terrified of getting a lawyer, it makes me feel like I am getting closer to a D by even going to one. She has talked to a lawyer already. She was ready for a D and I think she has been walking it back a bit-she is saying we will just "see what happens"... I am also terrified of living in seperate houses, I was talking to a divorced friend of mine who told me that I would just have to do what she wants because she is so adamant about it. My chest started hurting after that. I am clsely following the living after in home S thread to help me prepare. I have been covering almost all of the bills and have started stashing away some money just in case and I am looking at getting a part time job to make ends meet. Thank you so much for the ideas!