Sorry I made the question gender specific. I am not used to having both sexes to talk to about this issue. I apolygize. I knew when my husband suggested this that he was trying to "not talk about the subject at hand" but I thought I'd ask anyway. So nice to hear all the responses. By the way, started the fencing class. Oh my God, I can barely walk today. Instructor had us in the "on guard" (Spelling) position for 45 minutes of the 1 hour class. If nothing else I will have great looking thighs after this class. And, it was so much fun. Thanks for all your responses. Thanks as usual for all your help. P.S. I know this has nothing to do with SSM but my S is doing a report on Len Bias. Does anyone know his date of birth? Can't find it anywhere on the internet. Thanks, Katie