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Thanks for this, Hope. I needed to hear it.

God certainly can hold us to the flame to refine us. I hope and pray we all learn what we need to and grow from it.

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Thanks Hope.


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Glad my musings are able to help.

I wonder, do our spouses know the amount of turmoil we go through on a daily basis? I guess they could be asking themselves that same question. Would be nice to sit and talk and be honest with each other instead of having to wonder. After all, we used to be able to tell them anything and everything about ourselves.


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Hope, I don't think they care about our turmoil. Or they don't care enough, since they are the ones causing it. It would be nice to have an honest convo with them, and to be able to understand wth this happened. But they can't be honest, and sometimes what they say is really painful. Remember, we have to believe nothing they say and only 50% of what we see. It completely stinks.


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Hope, I just read more of your story. I know how you feel, because I'm living a similar life. The conversations that are nice give me hope, and the distance makes me scared. I grab the breadcrumbs and make a meal out of it. Then I wonder how she can say those things and still go back to ow. I'm struggling today, after feeling a little optimistic yesterday. It's a rollercoaster we're on and we just have to hang on until we can jump off. Or it stops. I hope and pray it just stops for all of us and that we can get back to living.


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That's true, NYGal. I have to remember that even if/when we do manage to have a conversation with them, don't believe anything they say and half of what we see b/c there is so much beneath the surface. And yes, when they manage to be honest, its just painful and I feel like banging my head against a cement wall...sorry for the graphic visual and pls know that I would not do that.

They are certainly the ones causing it and can stop it with the same amount of boldness they're using to go through it. Put that energy toward restoring your M, not tearing it down.


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I would do that. The headbanging might hurt less, actually.

The grass isn't greener on the other side, it's greener where you water it. They choose to water it elsewhere when they make the choice to stop giving to the M.


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Great words, Hope. And NYGal...I heard someone say to me a long time ago...

"If the grass looks greener on the other side, it's because there's more sh!t there."

So...we won't be fooled. We will be longsuffering, without being doormats. We will wade through the mess. Hope, pray, and believe.

All the while...doing our best to GAL, detach, 180, and become better versions of ourselves.


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I agree. The head banging actually might hurt less. Oddly enough, ever since this started happening, I sometimes catch myself feeling fearless. Like nothing can scare me b/c this was my biggest fear. Like I can handle anything that comes after this and I now could care less what people think about me or what they have to say about me wanting to save my M.

This is clear example of the nature of our emotions- one minute I feel like screaming in the bathroom stall at work, the next I feel like nothing scares me now. This stuff is just insane. I just never know which way my feelings are going to go.

Okay, I love how you put this:
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we won't be fooled. We will be longsuffering, without being doormats. We will wade through the mess. Hope, pray, and believe.

All the while...doing our best to GAL, detach, 180, and become better versions of ourselves.


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