Pajo
that is not it. They are telling themselves the things they need to believe to justify themselves.

My w would tell me the things that drove her to the point of BD. I would listen and i think she would also realize it isn't enough end a marriage. so the next thing would be that she doesn't think she is right for me and can't make me happy.

anything that makes them feel ok with what they are doing

M 37
W 34

T 12
M 8
D 7
S 4

Need break 4/12/15
W no ring 7/7/15

Separate room 4/12/15
Separate living suggested 8/15
W moved out 11/1/15