Hi G , please just t stop You had a terrible experience yesterday and handled it really well.

Please no more talk with W about anything other than kids or logistics. Even the mention of therapy is like you saying there is something wrong with her

W is t the woman you married anymore , she doesn't want to work this out , she wants to be free. As hard as that is for you to hear , it's how she feels.

No matter what you say or do right now will be seen by her as negative so don't say anything other kids or logistics.

Is ti possible for you to say to W that you will stay at your mums but visit the kids most nights / days until the house is sold

It's very sad it's come to this but it has and priority is your kids D17 seems to be under tremendous strain and needs kids gloves

G, you can handle this , please accept that your W is not who she was so treating her as you once would can't work , she's not even a friend right now so keep that in mind when your talking to her

Stay strong mate. Rd