Thank you Cadet.

WH was a covert gambler all his life and he cheated on W1. (who died of cancer before we met). I have discovered he had done some terrible things only after we M.

I think if MLC arrives in mid life as you imply and I infer that from you that WH could be in MLC additionally. Primarily I think he was a traditional systematic abuser, sadly MLC alone will not apply. I say sadly because I don't see any resolution of WH behaviour as I truly believe it's a personality issue not a behaviourally driven one.

He may have MLC issues and I hope for his sake he resolves those and obtains the help he needs to heal. I would wish this for him and all those in MLC.

A while ago on Schermans thread I think you discussed the incidence of poor health patterns in your family, and modern treatments can help more women like your mother stabilise her health and moods. I hope she found some peace in her life eventually, I will pray for that for your family.

Quite often I read the pain of the LBS or WAS when dealing with an abuser or wayward or MLCer. In the longer term we are the blessed ones, ready to heal, DBing to become the best we can be. It always seems to me that ultimately it is us who decide to let go and let God.

I am saddened that these life events interrupt lives and those around them suffer as well. This is a good board for self development, although there are few that are wayward a here there should be more. A conundrum in that waywardness and MLC traits need the greatest help and those that have them seek the least support.

My left knee hurts too, so I understand the knee issues. Mine is self inflicted from too much high impact aerobics. Ouch.

Hugs and peace

V


Freedom is just another word for nothing left to loose.
V 64, WAW