Thanks ya'll.
I tend to lean toward what you're saying V about forgiveness. Mostly we hear over & over that we NEED to forgive, and there's plenty of truth to that. But I also hear you about *asking for it* - repentance, etc. is a component of forgiveness.
What did you mean about shame & guilt as models of greatness? and what do the 'deluded impoverished souls' need - compassion? Just wanted to be sure I understood you.
Should be seeing the IC today. Not even sure how I want to tackle that... is it to sort out my own feelings or how to deal w/this crap (mostly what I think I should do w/the DB coach) or just how to communicate...ugh.


Me: 42, H: 38
Married: 12 years (second M for me)
14D, 9D
2015 EA (PA??), porn addict, *pastor/counselor* MLC

At a counselor, he said he wanted the marriage but not to work on himself w/a IC. Piecing?