Sandi2, I agree.

NYGAL, I know what you are saying and I did that for the last 7 months. As part of my 180/sandi2 rules I was always pleasant/bubbly, be the person they would want to be with. I feel like that has only led my wife think we would still be friends after a divorce/separation. Thoughts?

I am still pleasant to be around, confident, happy, etc... I just don't start the conversation and keep my interactions short (but not rude). This is very hard for me, I'm a big talker and I realize that is something I have to work on in our relationship if we stay together. I've read The Lost Art of Listening, worked with my IC, and watched many videos on how to listen, validate and be present.