Hey Zues,

Your view that sex with a partner and with out is the difference of love is a valid one. By my W refusing to have sex with me she was refusing to accept my love for her in the form that I wanted to give it. She felt like I was using her for sex and that she could be replaced with any woman. Ultimately she would be right for the physical part of it, to some degree. But its a closed minded comment to make, her and I together is unique and she could never be replaced just for me to have the same sexual experience and exchange of emotions.

I had a interesting experience last night, W was in the spare bedroom across the hall and both our doors are open and I can hear her every move, so I assume she can hear mine. She moved in bed and I can hear the sheets and the sound of movement then it stops. So I copy the length and duration of the movement. Then she does it again, and I copy again. It was like a Morris code back and forth for a hour duration of the night. The movements intensified and shortened until there was a release on my end and I stopped all movement. All movement ended in her room also.It was like she was there with me in the room.

In the morning nothing is said about it. We both greeted each other with good morning. Is this type of interaction helpful to me at all to get to R? This is not going to help me detach. Do I have anything to worry about? I was in MBR, I should be able to do what I want in there I think? Or is it best to leave that sort of thing for when W is not home? I just don't want to give her reason to say she feels unsafe in the home as a way to force me out.


Me late 30's
W mid 30's
T 15, M 10
S4, S7
ILYBNILWY June 2015
In house S July 2015
W rings off Oct 2015
My ring off Feb 2015
Separate houses June 2016