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Anicare, I would like to go on this journey of self discovery with you. I will answer your questions either today or tomorrow. Today is my busiest day of the week. Work, IC then final in my night class



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Dear Jelly, thank you for the support. I would like to continue this dialog with you, maybe by the end of the year I could discover what my anchor is. I will reflect



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Mutatio, thinking about you this morning and wishing you peace on your very busy Monday.



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Thanks pho, I am thankful to have you and others in my life. I don't know what would have happened if I did not have the support. You have made a difference in my life.



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Had some good insights yesterday at IC. I don't have enough time to get into it now, it will have to wait for tonight. Be well



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I now see neither my wife or I have been happy in our marriage for a very long time. I have be so obsessed with my fear of losing her since the affair that I could not recognize disastrous state of our marriage. If I don't pull a miracle out of my a$$ there's not much hope for this marriage.

What this means going forward I'm not sure but having a pragmatic understanding of relationship can't hurt.



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Pragmatism & Miracles, sounds like a step in the right direction Mutatio. You are making ground. JellyB xxx

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Mu, optimism has kicked my ass many a day. Nothing wrong with having some hope, we all need that. I too have had a few rough years looking back at it. It was in large part my own fault. But remember that our W have their part in it. Don't beat yourself up too much.

Christmas is a time for miracles. Just don't rely on them too much!


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Originally Posted By: mutatio
I now see neither my wife or I have been happy in our marriage for a very long time. I have be so obsessed with my fear of losing her since the affair that I could not recognize disastrous state of our marriage. If I don't pull a miracle out of my a$$ there's not much hope for this marriage.

What this means going forward I'm not sure but having a pragmatic understanding of relationship can't hurt.



I too share this feeling. I saw we were not good buy I hid under depression.I think now that my depression was largely due to being unhappy in M. And the depression surely made the M worse.I accept my part in this and have beaten my depression and am becoming a really good man. I have become closer to my boys. Without hogging your thread, what I am trying to day is that this situation has truely been a gift and because of it we will have a good future. That is in our control.

As for our wives, it there is no magic pill. We are standing for our beliefs with & against) hope.But aslong as one heart holds on there is hope.

The fear of losing your W has not stopped you losing her. It is not serving you. So if you haven't already you need to get passed that fear.


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M in trouble a lot earlier (~2 years)
Feb 2016. 1st R chat in a yr.
Next R chat Aug'17
Still together
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