Mahhhty
I agree with you. That is what i meant. I am going to find a good child counselor that has plenty of experience with this. I knowit may be difficult to get W to agree. I think she thinks they are fine, and i also think she doesnt want the reality hitting her.

Not sure how to go about this part and the fact that i really want to go as dark as possible from her right now.

prob wait until after holidays

M 37
W 34

T 12
M 8
D 7
S 4

Need break 4/12/15
W no ring 7/7/15

Separate room 4/12/15
Separate living suggested 8/15
W moved out 11/1/15