I understand. Do they ever show remorse in an affair? or if it is a MLC it sounds as if I may as well move on. She has made the comment that all this stuff in the house is just stuff. If the house burned down oh well, its just stuff. She used to be very attached to these items especially things that belonged to her parents. And doesn't this all boil down to choices? Seems to me that we can have alot of excuses why things happen but the freedom to choose she is aware of and she is choosing to walk away from her family. I want to save this marriage but at times it is overwhelming to think about and get absolutely no response. What scares me is that when and if she does wake up and realizes what she has done she will committ suicide. She spoke of this last spring when this all first started. Several times she said this. I dont know if she stills feels this way or not. Why wouldn't she file for divorce herself if she wanted out? seems to me if she wants out then she would do this on her own. Its not my duty to file for her. That just removes her guilt from filing.