Read both. Reread both. I'm actually very talkative, to the point where I try to be succinct especially online. IMHO, our relationship went like this-she "bullied" me into withdrawing then blamed my withdrawing on what ever came next. It's how she handles tough situations. She does it with her family etc. I obliged. I also don't know that that matters. I know I'm pissed and I know I am biased and prone to being defensive and withdrawn. I know that in certain ways I've come across as weak to her. Interestingly, the first EA only ended when I exploded on the OM. His mom got scared and called her and told her to stay away from him. I wonder if that's what she's expecting now. It's really not beneath me. So that's honesty. I really appreciate you asking me direct questions. It helps me get over my reluctance to speak.