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PP I hear you, this is an eating regime recommended by the diabetic doctor, to help bring my type 2 under control. It's going to be supervised with online reports. Plus there is walking, walking is allowed and swimming. I can go dancing.

Can you go on a low carb diet? Sounds like you are almost there with what you are going to eat.


Cadet, yes this is low GL rather than GI or carb. Complex carbs are ok. Strangely so are new potatoes and sweet potatoes. I don't really get that either! And absolutely no high fructose sugar, apparently it goes straight to the liver to cause fatty liver disease. There are some weird things in the pamphlet, like protein 100gms each meal. No cheese and no milk ( other than 1 scrappy cup of java a day) (lactose is a sugar) but yes to cottage cheese and curd cheese.

Berries yes, bananas no.

Some strange yes tos and no thank you.

Food is classified red, Amber and green. A large green salad is allowed every meal (including breakfast!) but no dressing than Cider Vinegar. Avocado is Green, tomatoes are red, couldn't resist that one. What is wrong with the poor old tomato?

I go to the alternatives page, Cauliflower Mash anyone? Anyone for butternut squash or courgette ribbons as pasta? One quarter ounce of partisan cheese mixed with grated nuts as a topping? Yummie

Oh yes a treat of a gin and tonic or whiskey and soda, no wine. Duh!

I am going to go research this, must be some sense in it somewhere.

The nurse wasn't too sure on the specifics. It's a diabetic protocol. Along with blood samples, and the nurse says ' they will know if I stuck to it', some long term sugar marker in the blood. I shall go research it.

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I do as I am told. It's only eight weeks.

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Originally Posted By: Vanilla
What is wrong with the poor old tomato?

Oh yes a treat of a gin and tonic or whiskey and soda, no wine. Duh!

I am going to go research this, must be some sense in it somewhere.

Sounds like modified Atkins - low carb to me,

The tomato has high sugar and is more like a fruit I would guess.

Be careful of the soda that you use in the gin, no high sugar soda.

What happens after 8 weeks?


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I go to the alternatives page, Cauliflower Mash anyone? Anyone for butternut squash or courgette ribbons as pasta? One quarter ounce of partisan cheese mixed with grated nuts as a topping? Yummie

Along with blood samples, and the nurse says ' they will know if I stuck to it', some long term sugar marker in the blood. I shall go research it.

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V, I eat mashed cauliflower and zuchinni noodles all the time. My kids eat them, too. I try to keep all grains to a minimum, even "whole grains", and these are good subs.

The blood marker test is the A1c, it's an estimate of your blood sugar for the past three months.

If you are researching, google Dr. Richard Bernstein.

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There is a long waiting list for psychiatric help, but yes I was assessed by a psychologist and as traumatised not depressed. Recommendation of IC, which I get once a month on the NHS. I have paid for Relate VSO, I also get weekly Gamcare IC, every alt appointment is Skype. ADs may not help but SRI may when anxiety and flashbacks start.

The psychologist felt the lucid dreams were a good thing. They are almost nightly and unless I write them down then I forget quite quickly. My very favourite one was the marshmallow dream, where I was trying to build a lighthouse with pink marshmallow and chocolate eggs. There was a song in the background which I have heard before about pink fluffy clouds. I was convinced this was needed before the storms came. So was anxious about finishing the lighthouse.

The NHS also sponsored me for the Freedom Program, for abuse and battered spouses (mainly women).

I am involved in Gamanon and helped set up a new local group, I am now a leader in the group, which is quite a lot of responsibility.

In many ways I have a great deal of support and in other ways little. The business end is tough as I am head of a ship with no engine. It's becalmed until I get the pistons moving again. The personal end is swamped with love and support. It is as it is. All of my friends and family have backed me on this, the cheating, lying, manipulating and abuse was very public. It does mean WH gets vilified and it's not very easy to keep saying, I wish him well, trust he finds his hearts desire etc. although often that's not what others want to hear. They want me to feel for vengeance, not my style. I think WH will just move on to abuse again, that's how the psychologist saw it.

I don't get that here on the board, I can acknowledge my Banshee phase and its accepted as part of the process of growing up.

Thank you as for all your posts here and on the threads on which we post, we are blessed to have you here. I value your opinion greatly.

I would like to be able to afford the Essential Experience program next March in the U.S. It's a target for me.


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Originally Posted By: Cadet
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What is wrong with the poor old tomato?

Oh yes a treat of a gin and tonic or whiskey and soda, no wine. Duh!

I am going to go research this, must be some sense in it somewhere.

Sounds like modified Atkins - low carb to me,

The tomato has high sugar and is more like a fruit I would guess.

Be careful of the soda that you use in the gin, no high sugar soda.

What happens after 8 weeks?


Apparently an assessment. Then I assume some kind of maintaining regime? The pamphlet is unclear.

But I should get a 'pack'.

Sadly they ran out hence the photocopy pages! However there should be a pack shortly.

Oh and a widget with a blood sugar monitor sponsored by the widget people. that is in the pack, it uploads blood sugar everyday for you. You insert a strip and it reads the sugar and sends the result, just like my Fitbit with my steps and sleep. I told the doc I had my Fitbit results for nearly 6 years. They weren't concerned.

But the bloods are free and nurses visit free and eyesight, foot and body scan too.

So it's worth it.

I am 74 kilos this morning at 65".

BmI is 33.

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Sotto, thank you for posting, on fitness yes I have tended to be an all out and go for it type.

Thank you for posting I really value your insight. I confess to having enjoyed my last monthly challenge. It was great fun and very distracting. I made my target too and might have continued if WH and my M hadn't gone down in flames.

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I'm very glad you are getting all that support IRL.

I was actually thinking of some anti-anxiety meds on an as needed basis, but I'm not M.D., so I'll leave that to those that do. I'm glad it was a psychiatrist rather than a general practitioner who evaluated you (although the latter would have almost certainly just wrote the prescription for Prozac out of reflex).

On the lucid dreams, I agree that they can be very helpful. Especially repeated dreams. The idea, at least in theory, is that dreams where you can fairly easily see elements of your life is your sub-conscious working through something that you've not addressed fully in your conscious mind. So journalling is one tool. The other I have read about & seen work is to just sit w/ the dream after you are awake and gently explore what the emotions you were either feeling in your dream or that are triggered by remembering the dream. It has to be gentle, and if it starts to get too much, back off and stop.

Again, the theory (and anecdotal evidence supports this) is that facing those submerged parts of ourself by gently leaning in allows them to lose some of their power, whereas repressing them tends to lead them to maintain or even gain strength and erupt out into our lives causing all sorts of mischief.

On the diet, I'd advise against the strict reading of Atkins. There is a huge amount of very good scientific literature that debunks his obsession w/ simple sugars & glycemic indexes as too simplistic. Yes, don't eat highly processed carbohydrates (table sugar, white flour, etc.). However, it is a mistake to lump fruits and vegetables into this, even if they contain a lot of sugars & simple carbs. Fiber and whole foods is the difference. So, go ahead & eat the tomato. Think of it this way, how do you think that someone who subsisted on fruits and vegetables would get fat? How about someone who subsisted on fatty foods & highly processed foods containing lots of sugars and other carbohydrates stripped of their fiber?

Most of the Atkins diet's successes comes from plain old calorie restriction. And the ketosis isn't really supported in the literature either.

Not that I want to get side-tracked into a diet flame war.

I'd say for your mental & physical health, I'd be making sure I ate a lot of fruits & vegetables for the micronutrients, and just cut portion size while keeping some steady activity & a bit of weight lifting to keep the metabolism & support your overall and mental health. But that's me.

Keep on keeping strong!


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Man I just can't keep up with you!! A NEW thread!! V I am so happy you are taking care of yourself! I know exercise sure makes me feel better. The night D12 wanted to come home because OM was there, I exercised harder than ever! I had ALOT of anger to work off! It helped!


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