Hi DBB, Well it's been a rough night...I'm doing well and think? I've finally come to some sort of acceptance by shutting him out but the 15D lost it tonight and doesn't understand why her father hates her??? D was in a bad mood after returning from Hs house says he ignores both of them,talks for hours with OW (he only has them 4 days a month) it seems like he cares for nothing but OW and she hates him. If it's not one thing around here it's another. I listened to her held her while she cried (which she never does) and tried to explain and make excuses for H..hard to do when you don't believe them yourself. Anyway when you confessed to expectations it made me think isn't it amazing how we try to tell ourselves not to have any but they seem to creep up even if you don't want them. I'm sorry to hear there hasn't been anything in two months but you sound as if your doing better? Are you? After listening to D tonight I sort of feel bad because when these people come out of their fog there may be nobody waiting for them on the other side, Of course they have nobody to blame but themselves but I still feel bad because I know my H fairly well and he won't be able to deal with it. I know it's not my problem but it's in my nature to feel bad or maybe it's just that I've gotten used to the feeling. I hope your hanging in there, let me know how your doing. Take Care, stacie