Bill, Thanks for all the advice, I will try. I talked to H a couple of times today and I have to say a couple of times I became really irritated w/his attitude. He gets mad when I call and he's not home because he knows I know were he is but when things come up w/the kids...such as a child staying home from school, he needs to know why (small town). Whenever he is w/ Ow for a long period I get treated like crap the next time we talk, no matter how nice I'am to him. I'm just begining to think this just isn't worth the fight anymore, my kids don't even want him back and it has nothing to do w/OW. My 15D told me straight out tonight her D makes her feel like she has taken all his happiness from him and all he has ever done is sacrifice himself for others. D makes her feel like she is spoiled and all she does is want. Reminder H has said all those things but not to her or around her that I know of. The question I have is do I really want this in my life?? Thanks for listening, stacie