Hopefully its not something that will be around forever Cemar. The docs are still working on finding something that works. I think that there are alot of docs though that do not concern themselves with the libido s/e of alot of the medications that they use. So the wife and I are going to continue to push them for some different solutions. Until recently though, she didn't see the need to consider those side effects. We actually had an episod recently where I tried yet again to initiate and of course was turned down. She offered her standard "help me out" line and unlike before, I turned her down. This led to a short but civil exchange where I basically said something to the effect of "you're not getting what Im trying to tell you. Its not the end result thats important to me. Its the closeness of the act. But don't worry, Im getting used to it." Well that visibly stung her. It wasn't until that moment though that she ever mentioned talking with her doctors about the effect of their treatment. Maybe it was a small breakthrough. I'd like to be optimistic.