Sandi2 that's my very situation the wife owns the home, when she BD she moved upstairs with the kids so me in the MB was her choice , I've given her space and she's just used it to further develop her R with OM, I'm having a hard time making her fear any loss , want to practice tough love, but not sure how to without causing more problems and arguments (guess I should fear that things are already out of hand) would really appreciate it if you could read my post it has a back story and I'd really appreciate any advice you could lend to me, I'm new here but I've been glued to this thread about the WW for the last week thanks to cadet THANKS