Tom, I wasn't saying that you will suddenly be happy. I fought for my marriage. I believed that if it were to end I was going to do what I could to save it. Looking back as the Monday quarterback, all that effort was only for my peace of mind, it had no effect on my now ex. He was gone, had made up his mind long before I found out about the affair.
Maybe everyone does have to travel their own journey through Hades in order to really understand. I couldn't sleep for two years after the divorce. I had to heal from all the pain. When you are in it, you are too busy fighting to let yourself really feel.
I am not saying rush out and file. I think you keep waiting for conditions to be just so before you do what you need to. Don't worry about all of that, just do what you need to. So this all about when you get to the point where you have done what you are able. Your wife is on her own timetable and they may not match. That is fine.after being on here 8 years, I wish I could save people from the pain, to not have it draw out, to see that this process is really about saving yourself snd your kids, rarely does it have the ending that we hoped for when we came here.
This is about you Tom and your four great kids. Get them through.
kat
Me-53(and learning!) S24, S21, D18, D17 Just keep swimming, Just keep swimming. Dory