Dave36, Your sporting metaphor is interesting because it is usual for us guys to set a target and go for it whether that be cycling, running the London marathon or improving our love lives. We get totally focused on it and work really hard to hit that target. We get frustrated when our Ws can't seem to focus with the same enthusiasm. I am coming to realise that for a woman to desire you sexually, you have to stop focusing on the target and look at the wider picture. SD