Hi Sandi2, Couple of thoughts . . . Not interested in open M although W had mentioned that when she first told me of A. My actions are telling W she gets to eat her cake. On S, no thoughts of conquering - just wanted to enjoy our flesh - many benefits incl. stress relief, health related and potentially could establish bond again. That said, have spoken with Coach re same and have decided probably not best cours of action. Will stop that as part of detach campaign. Unfortunately, AP is not a female (would of at least been somewhat more interesting). On females, I read a post under hurt06 from you and learned couple of interesting things (incl. that you are apparently a female yourself - I kinda envisioned a male due to your frequent allusions to b@lls). In any event. I am glad you seem to be doing better than you were previously. Hope you were able to cut down on the meds and perhaps go a more homeopathic route. So, I tried to set a boundary tonight, but did not seem to work as effectively as I had hoped. I told S5 to wait for D7 & D1.5 to have bath before his. Walked into bathroom a few minut s later and he was in with his sisters - W said no big deal. I agree not end of world yet, but we had talked previously about getting to be ripe age to separate girls from boys. I told her that I cannot effectively watch/supervise kids if W allows them to do what I told them they could not. W seemed to acknowledge issue. about an hours or so later W hears D7 crying , comes down to grab herself some tea and tells me (without knowing anything about situation), that I should not make D7 cry (acting like and leading D7 to believe that I had done something wrong). Then W runs back to hiding upstairs, where she had been since the bath while I watched/played with the two older kids. I was a livid / that she could be a spectator parent and swoop in with no understanding of sitch and criticize & undermine. I told her that what she did was not respectful and such behavior confuses kids. She put her fingers in her ears and told me she is getting divorce and cannot stand to listen to me and my OCD comments. I told her her behavior was not mature and unfair to kids (she shows little concern for them). I just don't know how to handle W's behavior. I just read up on the adverse impact of undermining in parenting. She's been doing that for years now. I am sure we could come to agreement on how to address certaing parenting issues- we just never have that conversation (although not an excuse, not unimaginable since we have 3 kids and are busy professionally).