On the subject of initiating I think that you have to be a lot more patient. If it has been 8 years then a full scale HD/HD relationship is not going to happen suddenly. In my sitch W has never initiated (apart from one time but that was interupted by hairdog out poaching and watching us through his binoculars) but I guess I can live with that because I can see love in her eyes during "Quality Time" and I know that her agreeing to once a week is an act of love and a sort of initiation even though it will probably always be me who makes the first move. If she doesn't resist then I see that as love. Who knows, after a few months when she is comfortable with it she may start things off sometimes - I can dream at least. SD
