CeMar, My wife is like yours and has never initiated (except once on a hillside in Yorkshire in 1980). Recently while trying to talk about SSM subjects she told me that she has often initiated sex but I have not responded. I tried to press her on exactly when this had happened because surely I would have noticed. She said "oh it happens all the time" and would not be more specific than that. I have given this some thought and come to the conclusion that she must occasionally feel in the mood and lie there waiting to see if anything happens and this feeling feels to her as if she is initiating even though there are no outward signs obvious enough for a man to read. Because I have had so many knock backs I daren't initiate anything unless it is a) The last friday in the month. b) The month has an "r" in it. c) we hav'nt had an argument in the last few days. d) Her bath water was sufficiently hot and bubbly. e) I hadn't given my self an HJ in her (slightly less hot by the time I get in it) bathwater etc.etc. so on those occasions when she feels receptive and in her mind she is initiating, I have left her wanting. So I guess if I initiate and she accepts then it must mean that she has initiated herself internally - if that makes any sense - and so should she score perhaps as much as +5? SD
