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These answers you gave sound really good, however, she is not going to buy it hook, line and sinker. She is just waiting to when you backslide. She believes it's all a ploy to win her back. You know what that means for you, right? You can never go back to your old ways. wink


This is the crux of my problem. I don't know what I can do to convince her of the changes. I keep hearing from these forums and all of the books that I have read that you can't be doing these things to win her back - but its a bit of a catch 22. Of course I want to win her back, but of course these changes are bigger than her. I get the point regarding patience, but what do you do when you feel that we are literally stuck at a stalemate?

I read that usually when men leave a relationship, it is for another relationship. However for a WAW, when they leave, their minds are made up. That's the frustrating part - she has her script and has stuck to it - "this doesn't work...." At the same time, she really want us to be civil to each other because she can't bear the thought of her being the cause of the massive disruption to our son, etc. She doesn't want to be vulnerable with me.

Are there real life stories of people that have managed to save their relationships - men saving a walk away wife - by just holding out and staying the course? Or is it all a pipe dream? It is what it is - if thats the case and this 180ing is really just for me to move on, I have to accept reality. But hope can be an incredibly painful thing.....