Thanks Betsey!

Yes you are right, I think I have "arrived" at detachment. For the most part, as you said I will always have those feelings. I see it in her too, but she tries to run from them and chooses not to face them and thats how she chooses to make herself happy. As opposed to us DBers who choose to make ourselves happy AND face it AND be open to the possibility of love again. I like our take much more instead of running away.

I have also come to the conclusion that I used to assume that WAW is an alien and didn't know what she was doing. After talking with her it has become clear that she does know exactly what she is doing and that she is choosing to do it. What I mean by that is she said we have been seperated for 5 months now and she has created a whole new life for herself. It hurt so much for me to hear that, but also made me realize she KNOWS she is choosing this. I no longer hope she will just magically wake up from what I considered as "Alien".

I realized that she is choosing to run away from me, avoid me, and shut me out because she thinks that I will hurt her again if she allows me another chance and it is not worth the time and effort because she has immersed herself in this "new life" and doesn't have time for me. Her statement of Who knows, if we try again it may be WONDERFUL, but it also might NOT. I'm not willing to try again. Her eyes full of tears.

So to the MC question, I have offered it up to her as an option, it is now up to her to take it if she wishes. Going against their will as you pointed out is fruitless. Going for me is fruitless. Only her going for us and her and her with an open heart is the only option. You are right about the excuses, she even tried to use the I went once for you (only to drop the bomb on me in our very first MC together) as an I did what I could excuse.

I need to reasses what happened yesterday and try and post the pertinent facts.

As far as spandex, I know TJ is proud of his hourglass figure and his abs now and might actually look good in it. Haha. I'll wear it if he does, but I'm going to line the insides of the one he is wearing with ben gay before he puts it on! Then you and I can really watch his WWF moves!

BTW - I hate fat ladys who sing, stay away from me like the plague Nell Carter! Maybe I'm dating myself here. What was that sitcom she was on?