Bond - i think a walk with my W when I get back, telling her that though I still love her, we have not been good to each other for a long time and what does she want to do, is appropriate. I will tell her that I agree that a D is best, and that I would like to do this after Christmas. I am still concerned about the effect of this on our children, but as you and others here have pointed out, we are not setting a good example for them. I think they need to be told in words we both agree on, by us both. This will be one of the saddest moments of my life.

I think - thank you Stubborndyke for holding me to a high moral standard - that I still have work to do and know what it is.

Lou - London was good - wonderful museums and food and hours in Foyles bookstore together. D16 was not a wife substitute in any way (father/daughter relationship was as it should be).

Bond - i have been helping out at EE again - an excellent experience - and am learning/experiencing lots from doing this, the bitter misanthrope receding. I am also doing serious GAL activities here on the west coast and am much happier for them.

W encouraged me to date a few months ago. If she has started doing so (i will ask), can i take this as a sign, and feel freer to do so on my part? There are a number of women that I would like to get to know better.

I am here until early December.

Thank you.

Luke