Thanks for the visit B. Don't get confused. What they say IS what they are feeling. But feelings can change based on core beliefs and values. The question and trick is how long will it take for those feelings to change (not inevitably for the better), can we stand the turmoil in the interim, and what steps can we take to arouse those better feelings? Logic, pressure, neediness, and self-righteouness from us will not get the job done. And please note, DBing is a process for us too--that takes time to change our own feelings. Hang in there.