Hi reberta Thanks for the input. I live in Ireland and have professorial help here. I have the DR DB books and they are a great help. I'm not sure what my W is about at the moment. She turned up this am so I as already out and carried on to work as two weeks ago she asked me for time alone in the house with the kids. I was at work for 20 mins and got a voice nail from her saying I did not have to stay out of the house just because she was home. She was crying while she said this. I then got a call 10 mins later from her to say the same and she chatted for 25 mins. I'm not sure if she is just guilt ridden over leaving or sad because her new life is not as she expected. I chatted to her on the phone but I feel detachment is the way to go because as a person I have matured , taken responsibility for my ( many) mistakes in our marraige and improved 100% as a father ( long long overdue). I will continue to improve but at this stage W has to want to engage with M I do she signs she is very unhappy but as above why ? Hi sandi. Thanks for pisting. I agree I can ( sort of) understand her issues with me lol. But not the kids. I can only imagine her perceived or real understanding of her life to date must be very sad. Thanks for posting